Legislature(2007 - 2008)BUTROVICH 205

03/19/2008 01:45 PM Senate HEALTH, EDUCATION & SOCIAL SERVICES


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          SB 206-CHILDREN'S TRUST GRANT FOR ENDOWMENT                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DAVIS announced consideration of SB 206.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:38:10 PM                                                                                                                    
TOM  OBERMEYER, Staff  to Chair  Davis, read  an overview  of the                                                               
bill.  He  said the  bill  before  the  committee should  be  the                                                               
committee substitute,  CSSB 206,  labeled 25-LS1198,  Version \E,                                                               
an Act repealing the Alaska  Children's Trust (ACT), establishing                                                               
conditions for  a grant of  the balance of the  Alaska Children's                                                               
Trust, designating  certain receipts  as available for  grants to                                                               
the Alaska  Community Foundation, and providing  for an effective                                                               
date.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     The Alaska Children's Trust is  one of 52 trusts in the                                                                    
     United  States created  by  state statute,  territorial                                                                    
     District  of  Columbia,  to  prevent  child  abuse  and                                                                    
     neglect.  The Alaska  Children's  Trust  is the  second                                                                    
     largest endowment  with about  $12 million; over  40 of                                                                    
     the trusts have no endowment  at all, but are dependent                                                                    
     upon  annual   state  allocation  and   dedicated  fund                                                                    
     streams, federal monies and  private funding. Like many                                                                    
     states,  ACT   receives  funds  from   special  request                                                                    
     Children's  Trust license  plates;  receipts for  birth                                                                    
     certificates   suitable  for   display;  and   heirloom                                                                    
     certificates  of  marriage.  Twenty-eight  states  also                                                                    
     receive federal community-based  child abuse prevention                                                                    
     program  funds.   These  funds   are  based   on  child                                                                    
     population  and   child  abuse  and   neglect  reports.                                                                    
     Alaska's  annual allotment  is  about  $235,000 and  is                                                                    
     matched  at  20 percent  by  the  Office of  Children's                                                                    
     Services and  distributed to  the tribes.  OCS grantees                                                                    
     in 2007 receiving those funds, served 356 families.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     SB 206  was introduced  to privatize  or have  a donor-                                                                    
     advised  fund  with   Alaska  Community  Foundation  in                                                                    
     response to  concerns by the  Board of Trustees  of ACT                                                                    
     that the  state had  not provided  consistent staffing;                                                                    
     that investment  policies did  not produce  the desired                                                                    
     results to  increase grant-making;  that administration                                                                    
     produced a  lack of small grass-root  grant applicants;                                                                    
     that the  trust would  be subject  to the  vagaries and                                                                    
     whims   of    changing   political    leadership;   and                                                                    
     realization  that  the  tension between  treatment  and                                                                    
     prevention is inescapable in a state setting where the                                                                     
     trust was focused on prevention.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     As  a   result,  the  board  commissioned   the  Giving                                                                    
     Practice,  a   consulting  service   of  philanthropies                                                                    
     NorthWest of Seattle, to  provide an independent report                                                                    
     with various ways to solve persistent problems.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
He added that the  69 page report of March 17,  2006 should be in                                                               
the  committee  members'  packets.   It  described  a  number  of                                                               
options: 1)  eliminate the  trust activities  and turn  the funds                                                               
over  to  the state;  2)  stay  with  the state  with  negotiated                                                               
operational  and state  changes; 3)  donor-advised fund  with the                                                               
Alaska Community Foundation;  4) use the Foraker  Group as fiscal                                                               
operational  sponsor;  5)  merge   with  Friends  of  the  Alaska                                                               
Children's Trust  (FACT); or 6)  become a new,  independent 501C3                                                               
public charity.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
The  board voted  to  privatize the  trust, that  is,  to have  a                                                               
donor-advised  fund with  the  Alaska  Community Foundation;  the                                                               
result was SB  206. Although the consultant's  report pointed out                                                               
that the  Alaska Community Foundation  and Friends of  the Alaska                                                               
Community Trust  might offer little  more than a  shell structure                                                               
with limited organizational capacity  and more administrative and                                                               
funds management  expenses, the  board felt a  substantial change                                                               
was needed.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  OBERMEYER  noted  that  many  of  the  things  he  had  just                                                               
described were in  the report and were summarized in  1-8 on page                                                               
2  of the  sponsor statement.  It indicated  that in  addition to                                                               
what  he  had already  described,  the  portion of  the  interest                                                               
income from the  Trust released by the Department  of Revenue was                                                               
relatively small,  about $348,000,  and limited  by statute  to a                                                               
maximum amount. The board felt  this impaired the Trust's ability                                                               
to  leverage its  small annual  budget to  assist efforts  in the                                                               
state to  prevent child  abuse and neglect.  The board  also felt                                                               
that,  while  current  staffing   by  the  Office  of  Children's                                                               
Services  (OCS)  was  useful  in  the  flow  of  information,  it                                                               
unavoidably tended  to change  the goal and  priority of  the ACT                                                               
from prevention to treatment of  those children already suffering                                                               
from abuse and neglect.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Although  Alaska  Statute  allowed  for appropriation  of  up  to                                                               
$150,000 from the  principal of the Trust  annually for operating                                                               
expenses, that  had not been the  practice of the Trust.  The ACT                                                               
income available  for spending in  2004 was $340,689 and  in 2005                                                               
was  $364,000 (per  page  14  of the  March  17, 2006  consulting                                                               
report).  Page 15  of the  report before  the committee  was more                                                               
telling,  it   showed  the  surpluses  of   unspent  grant  money                                                               
available during  those years, $42,000 and  $82,000 respectively.                                                               
The seeming  anomaly of  having a surplus  could be  explained by                                                               
the  dramatic drop  in administrative  expenses from  $117,000 to                                                               
$85,000,  to  $31,000 in  2005,  which  tended to  indicate  that                                                               
staffing  became part-time  during that  period while  inadequate                                                               
disbursements  resulted in  surpluses.  Contrary  to the  board's                                                               
initial contention,  the report found actual  management expenses                                                               
charged by  the Department of  Revenue remained  consistently low                                                               
at about $35,000, or .03 of  1 percent of the $12 million corpus.                                                               
Management fees  for Alaska  Community Foundation  were estimated                                                               
at about .84 of  1 percent, a little more than  twice as much. He                                                               
felt that the anticipated benefits might outweigh the costs.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. OBERMEYER summarized that the  board of the Alaska Children's                                                               
Trust  concluded that  something had  to be  done to  improve the                                                               
performance  of ACT  to help  accomplish its  mission to  prevent                                                               
abuse  and neglect  of  children. In  moving  from department  to                                                               
department,  employees  of  ACT  had   not  had  the  benefit  of                                                               
institutional  memory  in  managing  this  large  endowment.  The                                                               
Department  of Revenue,  while  it charged  very  little for  its                                                               
services, might consider the investment  of the corpus of the ACT                                                               
a very small part of its  operation not requiring a great deal of                                                               
its attention.  Privatizing ACT through  SB 206 was a  viable and                                                               
perhaps preferred  option unless, as suggested  by the consulting                                                               
group   in   its   final   recommendations,   the   state   could                                                               
satisfactorily address the concerns without changing structure.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DAVIS  indicated that a number  of people had signed  up to                                                               
testify on  this bill  and that a  representative from  Legal and                                                               
Research was  on line to  answer any questions that  might arise.                                                               
She  said  she  would  prefer to  take  public  testimony  before                                                               
entertaining questions.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:45:58 PM                                                                                                                    
DIANE KAPLAN,  Trustee, Alaska  Children's Trust,  Anchorage, AK,                                                               
began  her service  as an  appointee of  Governor Knowles  to The                                                               
Friends   of  the   Children's   Trust,  which   was  formed   at                                                               
approximately the same time as  The Children's Trust. The purpose                                                               
of The Friends of the Children's  Trust was to raise money and do                                                               
marketing  for  the Trust,  such  as  license plates,  [heirloom]                                                               
marriage certificates  and the "Mush  for Kids" in  Fairbanks, as                                                               
well as  other fundraising activities  to build the  Trust. After                                                               
about 5 years of service, she  was appointed to the Trust and was                                                               
currently in her second term.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
The commission was  unanimous in its belief that  the Trust would                                                               
function  better  outside  of state  government.  The  consultant                                                               
report indicated that it would be  optimum to stay with the state                                                               
if accommodations could be made.  They spent 2 years working with                                                               
the  state  to  do  that,  but  even  with  the  support  of  the                                                               
commissioners of  Education and  Health and Social  Services, who                                                               
were statutory  members of the  Trust, they were  not successful;                                                               
the 7  trustees concluded that  the relationship was  not working                                                               
and that the Trust was unable to fulfill its mission.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
In terms of raising money, she  said it was very difficult to get                                                               
donors to write a  check to the State of Alaska  or to any public                                                               
body;  therefore  many  institutions used  the  Alaska  Community                                                               
Foundation  as  a   way  to  build  public   support  for  public                                                               
activities. She  cited the Eagle  River clock tower  project, the                                                               
West High auditorium project, the  Jessie Lee home, the Anchorage                                                               
Parks  Foundation   and  the  Anchorage  Library   Foundation  as                                                               
examples  of   organizations  that  worked  through   the  Alaska                                                               
Community Foundation to combine public  and private funds for the                                                               
good of Alaska.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:48:26 PM                                                                                                                    
SAMMYE POKRYFKI, Vice Chair, board  member, Friends of the Alaska                                                               
Children's  Trust,   Anchorage,  AK,  said  that   they  were  in                                                               
unanimous  support  of  this legislation  and  appreciated  Chair                                                               
Davis' leadership on it.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:50:32 PM                                                                                                                    
TLISA  NORTHCUTT,  Secretary-Treasurer,  Friends  of  the  Alaska                                                               
Children's Trust, Anchorage, AK, agreed  with Ms. Kaplan that one                                                               
of  challenges for  fundraising for  this very  worthy cause  was                                                               
asking  donors to  give money  to  a state  entity. Although  the                                                               
funds were  set up as  a 501C3, to raise  money on behalf  of the                                                               
Trust they had to let people  know the money raised would go into                                                               
the  state.  As  a  member  of  the  Association  of  Fundraising                                                               
Professionals, her  code of  ethics required  that she  could not                                                               
ethically  take donor's  dollars if  she could  not follow  donor                                                               
intent; by putting  the money into the state of  Alaska, she lost                                                               
her  ability to  guarantee that  funds  would be  used as  donors                                                               
intended. That  made fundraising  efforts very difficult  and she                                                               
firmly believed that placing the  money into the Alaska Community                                                               
Foundation was the best route.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
IRIS  MATTHEWS,  Program  Officer, Alaska  Community  Foundation,                                                               
Anchorage,  AK, made  herself available  to answer  any questions                                                               
the committee might have for the Alaska Community Foundation.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:53:51 PM                                                                                                                    
CARLY  LAWRENCE,  Chair,  Friends  of  Alaska  Children's  Trust,                                                               
agreed with Tlisa Northcutt's statements.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:54:30 PM                                                                                                                    
CANDACE WINKLER, Chief Executive  Officer, Child Care Connection,                                                               
supported privatizing  the Alaska Children's Trust.  She said her                                                               
organization had  been the  recipient of a  small grant  from the                                                               
Alaska Children's Trust for 3 years  and, as a grantee, they were                                                               
extremely appreciative  of the resources  from the Trust  but had                                                               
to admit  that the  process had been  very laborious.  Child Care                                                               
Connection had  quite a few other  grants from the state,  one of                                                               
them for over $1 million, and  she said this grant for $15,000 to                                                               
$50,000 had  been the  most laborious state  grant they'd  had to                                                               
deal with.  The first year they  received it, it was  supposed to                                                               
be effective  for July and  they didn't hear anything  back until                                                               
August or September. First they  heard they had gotten the grant;                                                               
about a month later they heard  that the amount had been reduced;                                                               
about a month  later they heard the amount had  been increased to                                                               
the original proposal. So they  were into October, over a quarter                                                               
of the  way through the fiscal  year for that grant,  by the time                                                               
they actually got the money. She  wasn't sure why the process was                                                               
so ponderous, but each year they  had to weigh whether the amount                                                               
was  worth  the  difficulty  of   the  process.  She  hoped  that                                                               
privatizing it  would make the  process more efficient  and allow                                                               
them to leverage more resources to accomplish their mission.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:58:04 PM                                                                                                                    
PANU LUCIER, Executive Director,  Alaska Children's Trust and the                                                               
Friends of the  Alaska Children's Trust, said she was  new to the                                                               
position and was still learning  about the Trust and the granting                                                               
process.  She  thanked Chair  Davis  and  the committee  for  the                                                               
opportunity to testify and for sponsoring SB 206 and SB 210.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. LUCIER said the Friends of  the Alaska Children's Trust was a                                                               
501C3  non-profit  arm  of the  Alaska  Children's  Trust,  whose                                                               
mission was  to raise  funds for the  Trust, to  provide outreach                                                               
and marketing for the ACT, and  to raise awareness of child abuse                                                               
and neglect.  As a non-profit,  FACT accepted  contributions from                                                               
individuals  and  from  corporations  or  foundations  that  were                                                               
restricted  to non-profit  contributions  or were  seeking a  tax                                                               
deduction;   however,   fundraising   had   become   increasingly                                                               
difficult  under the  current  structure because  the  ACT was  a                                                               
state fund and subject to  legislative appropriation. Donors were                                                               
reluctant to contribute  to a fund which could  not guaranty that                                                               
the  donors' intent  would be  followed; donors  did not  want to                                                               
give to a  "pass-through" organization. Funds raised  by the FACT                                                               
and  contributed to  the Alaska  Children's Trust  went into  the                                                               
corpus of the Alaska Children's Trust  Fund and could not be used                                                               
for programming.  The Alaska Children's  Trust was  restricted to                                                               
granting  from  just the  net  earnings  of  the Fund.  FACT  was                                                               
restricted   from   making   direct   grants  by   all   of   its                                                               
organizational documents.  The FACT board members  struggled with                                                               
the ethical implications of raising  money that might not be used                                                               
as  donors  intended. Safeguarding  the  funds  took energy  that                                                               
could be better utilized on the mission of related activities.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
With the privatization  of the Alaska Children's  Trust, the FACT                                                               
and ACT proposed  to merge into one  non-profit organization that                                                               
would take on the functions  of marketing, outreach, grant making                                                               
and fund raising.  This would allow for ethical  fund raising and                                                               
insured the long-term  stability of the fund; allowed  for a more                                                               
efficient process  for grantees; allowed for  fund management and                                                               
an endowment model; and insured a more efficient operation.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
The  Office  of Children's  Services  statistics  for March  2008                                                               
indicated that over  2,000 children were in  out-of-home care and                                                               
61  percent of  these children  were Alaskan  Native or  American                                                               
Indian. As  an Alaska  Native herself, the  numbers hit  close to                                                               
home for  her. She had  been a volunteer  court-appointed special                                                               
advocate for  8 years, working  specifically with  Alaskan Native                                                               
children in state custody. She  stressed that no one organization                                                               
could fix the  problem of child abuse and neglect;  it would take                                                               
a  cooperative effort  of state  and private  entities and,  most                                                               
importantly, individuals living in  communities to take ownership                                                               
of  the  problem.  The  state had  taken  the  responsibility  of                                                               
providing  services  to  children already  suffering  from  child                                                               
abuse  and neglect.  ACT  was charged  through  state statute  to                                                               
conduct activities that  would result in the  prevention of child                                                               
abuse  and  neglect  through   the  issuance  of  community-based                                                               
grants.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
There were several statutory limitations  that prohibited the ACT                                                               
from  maximizing  its  ability   to  eliminate  child  abuse  and                                                               
neglect. The current board composition  was too small to meet the                                                               
need  of  providing expertise  to  lead  a  more diverse  set  of                                                               
activities, and  restrictions on  length and percentage  of grant                                                               
funding did  not allow  the flexibility needed  to make  the most                                                               
efficient use  of the  Trust and other  donor dollars.  While the                                                               
Act was permitted  to seek outside funds to add  to the Trust, it                                                               
did  not appear  to have  the authority  to negotiate  with those                                                               
donors  as  to   how  the  funds  could  be   used.  The  current                                                               
administrative structure  of the trust  within the state  was too                                                               
burdensome given  its small operating  budget and the  small size                                                               
of   grant   awards    being   offered.   Small   community-based                                                               
organizations  that were  well  poised  to offer  community-based                                                               
solutions  were  unlikely  to apply  under  the  current  process                                                               
because of the  administrative burden relative to  the small size                                                               
of  the grant  awards,  which  were limited  to  $50,000. A  more                                                               
streamlined   and  simplified   administrative  structure   would                                                               
enhance the  Alaska Children's Trust  ability to  efficiently and                                                               
effectively pursue its mission.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. LUCIER continued that privatizing  the trust would expand the                                                               
role of  the trust  from just  grant-making to  include research,                                                               
convening,  collaborating,  outreach  and social  marketing,  and                                                               
would  enhance the  Trust's ability  to focus  grants in  program                                                               
areas that had  the highest need and showed  the greatest promise                                                               
for success.  It would allow  the Trust to share  the information                                                               
through  outreach and  social marketing  with  all Alaskans,  not                                                               
just those  served by funded  programs. Privatization  would also                                                               
allow use of trust funds,  including the revenue sources from the                                                               
sale of license plates, marriage  and birth certificates, federal                                                               
earmarks, foundation grants, and  corporate donations, to conduct                                                               
expanded activities as identified above.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
She concluded that most of  all, privatization through SB 206 and                                                               
SB 210  would help create  a more unified  voice to focus  on the                                                               
mission  of  ending  child  abuse  and  neglect  in  Alaska.  The                                                               
trustees of the  Alaska Children's Trust with the  support of the                                                               
Friends of  Alaska Children's Trust  recommended to  the Governor                                                               
and the  Alaska Legislature that  the Alaska Children's  Trust be                                                               
privatized.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DAVIS advised  that Jean Mischel from legal was  on line to                                                               
answer questions.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:05:17 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR ELTON  asked if the  Department of Revenue  would provide                                                               
its perspective on how this might work.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:06:33 pm                                                                                                                    
JERRY  BURNETT,  Director, Administrative  Services,  Legislative                                                               
Liaison for  the Department  of Revenue,  Juneau, AK,  offered to                                                               
answer any  questions about  how they managed  the funds  and how                                                               
this might change that.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  ELTON  asked  if  we  did  this  with  any  other  state                                                               
receipts.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BURNETT explained  that the  Department of  Revenue invested                                                               
the money, approximately $12 million,  retained the principle and                                                               
paid the  income to an  income account  that could be  spent, and                                                               
charged about  .03 of  1 percent  of the  amount, or  $40,000 per                                                               
year. He said there were  other accounts in state government that                                                               
were set up  for specific purposes and were managed  in a similar                                                               
fashion, such as the hazardous spill response fund.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR ELTON said  he was thinking of the way  the Trust dollars                                                               
went into a bucket and was  trying to figure out what the process                                                               
would  be.  They  managed  the trust  dollars  and  reported  the                                                               
receipts;  but  he   wondered  who  made  the   decision  on  the                                                               
disposition of those receipts.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. BURNETT  replied that  the Children's  Trust Board  was doing                                                               
that for the  income account. What would happen  with the passage                                                               
of this bill was that the  money would be appropriated in another                                                               
bill to the  non-profit that would be handling it;  and that non-                                                               
profit would receive receipts that  were going into that Trust in                                                               
the future. The department had no  opinion as to whether it was a                                                               
good  or a  bad  idea.  It represented  approximately  .005 of  1                                                               
percent of the money they managed in treasury.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  ELTON  asked  if  the department  would  report  to  the                                                               
legislature  the  amount of  money  available,  or if  the  whole                                                               
account would go to [the non-profit].                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. BURNETT answered  that would depend on  how the appropriation                                                               
bill was written,  but they would identify  the available balance                                                               
on  the  date of  dissolution  of  the  fund  and that  would  be                                                               
available for appropriation for  whatever purpose the legislature                                                               
chose.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR ELTON  ventured that future receipts  from license plates                                                               
or  heirloom  marriage certificates  would  be  collected by  the                                                               
Department  of Health  and Social  Services  (DHSS), which  would                                                               
tell the legislature how much  money had been collected and those                                                               
receipts  could  be transferred  in  a  grant to  the  privatized                                                               
Trust.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. BURNETT corrected  that typically, with a  program like that,                                                               
there  would be  a  language  section in  the  budget that  would                                                               
specify the  amount available from  those sources that  was being                                                               
appropriated to [the Trust].                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DAVIS asked  if the money [from those  sales] was currently                                                               
coming in to  the Department of Revenue and  being transferred to                                                               
Department of Health and Social Services.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. BURNETT  agreed that the  money did  come in to  Revenue, and                                                               
$150,000  could  be  spent  each   year  from  the  principal  to                                                               
administer  the  program.  The  income,  which  was  averaging  7                                                               
percent since  inception of the  fund, was available  for grants.                                                               
The unused portion stayed in the  Trust. One of the issues, aside                                                               
from problems of fundraising which  had been identified, was that                                                               
the fund was managed so  that only realized income was available.                                                               
That meant the variation in  income year-to-year was quite large.                                                               
If they  chose to  leave the  Trust with  the state,  he strongly                                                               
recommended that  they change  it to  an endowment  management so                                                               
there would be an even amount available for grants each year.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  DAVIS  said she  still  didn't  quite understand  how  the                                                               
grants  were handled.  She asked  if the  checks to  the grantees                                                               
were written by the Department of Revenue.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. BURNETT answered no, they were written by the Trust.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:13:24 PM                                                                                                                    
JEAN  MISCHEL, Attorney  at Law,  Legislative Legal  and Research                                                               
Services  Division,  Legislative  Affairs Agency,  said  she  had                                                               
concerns about the way the bill  was structured. She said she did                                                               
the drafting based  upon a specific request but  there were legal                                                               
issues which  she thought created  unnecessary confusion.  One of                                                               
those  was that  they  continued  to refer,  in  the license  and                                                               
heirloom  certificate  section, to  the  existence  of an  Alaska                                                               
Children's  Trust Fund  that was  actually repealed  on the  last                                                               
page of Version  \E. So there was no Alaska  Children's Trust and                                                               
that reference  should be changed. She  was not sure, as  a legal                                                               
matter,  whether they  could transfer  monies  that were  donated                                                               
under one set of understandings, in  this case that the money was                                                               
being  handled by  a state  trust board  and being  collected for                                                               
that purpose, to a private  organization. She felt there was some                                                               
potential  to  challenge the  transfer.  The  other question  was                                                               
whether the state  could continue to accept  license and heirloom                                                               
certificate  fees and  hand them  over to  a private  entity. The                                                               
bill authorized the state  to do it, but she felt  it did raise a                                                               
specific question about whether those  fees could be construed as                                                               
a tax,  in which case they  were constrained as to  what could be                                                               
done with that money.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MISCHEL  was  also  concerned   about  labeling  the  Alaska                                                               
Community Foundation  in statute as the  named recipient grantee,                                                               
because  the state  lacked  control over  the  existence of  that                                                               
foundation.  She  recommended  that they  refrain  from  actually                                                               
identifying a  specified community foundation in  the substantive                                                               
provisions of  the law; she said  there would be no  problem with                                                               
doing that in the appropriations bill.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  DAVIS supposed  that  they should  have  someone from  the                                                               
Attorney General's  Office look at  the bill, as there  were more                                                               
concerns  than she  was  comfortable  with. She  held  SB 206  in                                                               
committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                

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